Fw: H-ASIA: J. E. Sainsbury in Chinese Rebel Army in 1911?

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From: "Ryan Dunch" <ryan.dunch@UALBERTA.CA>
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Subject: H-ASIA: J. E. Sainsbury in Chinese Rebel Army in 1911?


> H-ASIA
> December 4, 2012
>
> J. E. Sainsbury in Chinese Rebel Army in 1911?
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> From: R. Stevenson Upton <R.Stevenson.Upton.77@alum.dartmouth.org>
>
> I have seen a book (on British military procedures and tactics) which has
> in it the signature J. E. Sainsbury, immediately below which is the
> following very interesting old handwritten notation: Colonel of Engineers
> Chinese Republican Army Shanghai China 1911.
>
> Has any H-Asia participant seen anything regarding any involvement by
> Sainsbury with the rebel forces in China in late 1911 or in early 1912?
>
> I think that Sainsbury was probably Joseph E. Sainsbury, who was
> mentioned,
> at page 149 of volume 1 of Arthur Henry Savage Landor's work China and the
> Allies (about the Boxer Uprising), as having had the responsibility of
> organizing mail and telegraph services and as being from USS Monocacy.
> There was a Joseph E. Sainsbury (presumably the same person) who was
> serving as Marshal on the staff of the U.S. Consulate at Tientsin
> (Tianjin)
> several years after the Boxer Uprising, and who was a member of the Pei-he
> Masonic Lodge at Tientsin (under the Grand Lodge of Massachusetts) ca.
> 1904. This consular official was born at Nunda, New York in 1871. It
> appears that on June 17, 1907, he was appointed to the Civil Service of
> the
> Philippine Islands, and that by 1908 he was working in the Bureau of
> Prisons in the Philippines. In 1916, he visited Nunda, and claimed at that
> time to have traveled to nearly every country on the globe in various
> capacities including the consular service. He added (during this 1916
> visit) that while he was journeying through Palestine in 1912, he had seen
> a gasoline engine that had been manufactured at Nunda.
>
> Any information regarding any involvement by J. E. Sainsbury with Chinese
> rebels in the Xinhai Revolution would be much appreciated.
>
> Steve Upton/ILEAD; rsu77@alum.dartmouth.org
>
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